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Re: Gamma Seals

Postby ColoradoBrewer » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:23 am

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Re: Gamma Seals

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Why worry about the seal on a bucket fermenter?

Postby billvelek » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:58 pm

I'm not knocking or criticizing anyone's opinion or methods, but unless one is planning to keep the beer sitting in the bucket beyond active fermentation, I'm curious why anyone would worry about the seal on a bucket fermenter? Regarding infiltration of oxygen, you're already starting out with some oxygen in your bucket in the empty head-space to begin with, and with the positive pressure on the inside of the bucket caused by fermentation, I can't imagine much more is going to get inside. Even after fermentation has finished and there is no longer positive pressure, with an extremely small "leak", I still can't imagine that very much oxygen will infiltrate within just a day or two before you get around to racking into secondary. As for critters, little gnats and fruit flies are the only things that we really need to worry about because spores and microbes are not trying to infiltrate our fermenters; they just happen to be in the air and therefore can only get sucked inside the bucket with rises in barometric pressure. But in comparison to the amount of unsanitized air that was originally in the head space as well as the amount that most homebrewers try to deliberately shake into their wort to "aerate" it before fermentation, it is probably miniscule -- and happens at a time when there is little food left to eat plus an alcohol content to contend with. Couple that with the fact that many places use open-air fermentation -- even for beers besides sour lambics -- and a seal that isn't air-tight just doesn't give me much of a reason to worry. In the past, I have just "set" the lid on top of the bucket -- allowing the weight of the lid to seal it enough to keep insects out -- and I haven't had any problems; one advantage is that I don't need to worry about an airlock getting clogged and creating a mess on the ceiling. I am planning to return to the use of buckets for primary, after weighing the pros and cons of using glass, but I won't be messing around trying to get a tight seal. We all do what works for us.

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Postby Legman » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:30 pm

No, your right about that during active fermentation. It's not that critical to have a complete seal. But I don't rack my beers. I leave them in the primary for 2 -3 weeks, then bottle. That's why I'm concerned about having a good seal. I could just rack after a week, but I've also read alot of other post about racking off the trub to soon and what possible effects that has.......that and I'm lazy! Hahaha.
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Racking to secondary

Postby billvelek » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:11 pm

Are white food-grade plastic buckets (don't remember what sort of plastic they actually are) impermeable to oxygen; some plastics will allow a certain amount of oxygen to pass right through the plastic itself. I'm asking this in regard to leaving beer inside a bucket for several weeks.

My thoughts are now running along this line: rack to secondary after high krauesen but before all fermentation has completed and the yeast has flocculated; the bucket will make cleaning the worst mess -- the dried krauesen -- easiest, and racking will eliminate all trub so that when the yeast does finally settle, I will have a pretty clean yeast cake for reuse, and I won't need to worry about oxidation in my glass carboy.

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Re: Racking to secondary

Postby Legman » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:14 pm

[quote="billvelek"]Are white food-grade plastic buckets (don't remember what sort of plastic they actually are) impermeable to oxygen; some plastics will allow a certain amount of oxygen to pass right through the plastic itself. I'm asking this in regard to leaving beer inside a bucket for several weeks.

Ya know I'm not really sure. I wouldn't think after just a few weeks O2 would get in a whole lot. I mean, after all, these types of plastic buckets are used for long term food storage. If that were the case, then the food would surely suffer after a few weeks as well.
But I could be completely off base. I'm sure at some point there may be some effects of O2. But I think that's over an extended period of time.
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Re: Gamma Seals

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Postby Legman » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:22 am

[quote="ColoradoBrewer"]Are you sure the part that attaches to the bucket is fully seated? When I put mine on I gave it a few sharp blows with a rubber mallet.quote]

Maybe I need to try smacking it with a mallet. Once it's fully seated, how hard should it be to pull that peice off the bucket? Right now I can pull it off pretty easily, but I pushed down on it as hard as I can.
I'm getting obsesed over this whole thing. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :shock:

I need a homebrew. !@#$!!!! It's only 5:30 AM :x
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Postby ColoradoBrewer » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:13 am

ve never actually removed mine, but after reading your post I gave it a try. It's on there pretty snug and wouldn't budge using just my hands. So I'm guessing it needs to be pried of with some sort of tool.
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