jeff wrote:The primary purpose for the stage menu is to indicate how BTP should use the ingredient in the calculations. For example, when a hop is added during the boil, BTP knows that it should include the hop in the bitterness calculation routine.
Yes, I noticed this prior to sending my request. But apparently BTP is already currently set-up to sometimes
ignore certain ingredients -- including some hops -- in its calculations; e.g., BTP will already permit me to select four out of five settings for hops ["Post Boil (Kettle)", "Primary (Fermenter)", "Secondary (Fermenter)", and "Finish (Bottle)"] which seem to be ignored in calculations because BTP does not figure any amount of alpha- or iso-alpha-acid masses [the mg/L value shown in the bar graph] ... OR ... bittering units [the percentage of U shown in the bar graph as well as the 'Bitterness' under the 'Style Tab'] (see 'Bugs' for a new bug I've just found there, as well). The _only_ one of the menu choices for hops where calculations actually appear to be made is "Boil (Kettle)", so I don't see the big deal with allowing us to add 'Hop Tea' or 'Dry Hops' as more specific post-boil additions which do not result in significant alpha-acid utilization in the first place (even if somehow extracted, the alpha acids are still not isomerized without a boil). Another good example is the honey mentioned by Bob; I had never noticed, but as he has pointed out, the ONLY stage option for that is "Boil (Kettle)" despite that BTP defaults to "Mash (Mash Tun)". Now, we all know that no one in their right mind is going to put honey in the mash tun, although they will perhaps
add it during the boil; I think most will probably add it "Post-Boil (Kettle)", or later, so we should have that option -- not to mention the fact that I don't see what "calculations" the honey needs to be used for except for gravity.
jeff wrote:I see how stage can appear as a logical choice to use for brewer's notations. However, I feel that another solution should be found for including such notations since the stage value is a vital part of the math. If a user were to enter some custom stage for an ingredient, it will not be clear to BTP how to use the ingredient in the calculations.
I've already touched on this, above, but will add that I have no problem with BTP somehow using "another solution" so long as we have some way to indicate in our recipe what our actual
process is -- not only as a reminder to ourselves or a checklist for brewing away from the computer, but also as a way to clearly indicate our recipe to those we share it with.
jeff wrote:A remarks field of some sort might be a way that users can enter personal notations to assist during the brewing session. These remarks could then be included in the print-out along with the stage.
I'm not sure how a "Remarks" section is going to be different than a "Notes" section; the "Notes" are already currently printed out, but my point is that it is easy to miss a note ... and unless the 'remarks' are somehow included in a procedures list, I think it will be just as easy to miss as the "Notes" now are ... UNLESS there is a 'flag' check-box column where we can, for any ingredient, check it to signify "see Notes". That is somewhat similar to my request to be able to choose "Other -- see notes", but without disconnecting the ingredient from any BTP 'calculations'.
And, of course, for any newbies using BTP, wanting to add honey to their fermenter and not being allowed to do it ... without an understanding of why ... is just going to cause frustration and inevitably some repeated questions.