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Postby derfburg21 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:28 pm

I have input the same recipe in to Beersmith and Beer tools. I get differant output. I am very conserned about this. How do I post the recipe and have someone look at it. The Beertools one uses way more sugar then the other.
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Postby slothrob » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:15 pm

In BTP you can use export to produce a text version of your recipe that can be copied and pasted into the forum.

In what way are the recipes producing different results? If it's different IBUs, that could be due to the selection of different utilization formulas.
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Postby jeff » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:14 am

slothrob wrote:In what way are the recipes producing different results? If it's different IBUs, that could be due to the selection of different utilization formulas.


What he said :)
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Postby derfburg21 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:35 am

It is not the IBU's. It is the OG that is diff. I do not have the BS file in front of me. Here is the recipe I am using, BS was something like 1.094, this is lower.



Imperial Cascade IPA
14-C Imperial IPA

Size: 6 gal
Efficiency: 75%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Calories: 286.22 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.085 (1.070 - 1.090)
Terminal Gravity: 1.021 (1.010 - 1.020)
Color: 10.61 (8.0 - 15.0)
Alcohol: 8.47% (7.5% - 10.0%)
Bitterness: 104.0 (60.0 - 120.0)

Ingredients:
10.0 lb American 2-row
5.0 lb Golden Promise Malt
2.0 lb Crystal 15
2.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 90.0 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 75.0 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 45 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 30 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
2.0 lb Corn Sugar
1.0 ea Fermentis US-56 Safale US-56

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 70.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

00:05:00 Mash In - Liquor: 5.31 gal; Strike: 172.6 °F; Target: 154.0 °F
01:05:00 Sach Rest - Rest: 60 min; Final: 147.8 °F
01:10:00 Mash Out - Water: 4.1 gal; Temperature: 200 °F; Target: 168 °F
01:35:00 New Batch Sparge - 1st Running: 0.0 gal sparge @ 168.0 °F, 5 min; Sparge #2: -0.08 gal sparge @ 168.0 °F, 10.0 min; Sparge #3: -0.08 gal sparge @ 168.0 °F, 10.0 min; Total Runoff: 7.43 gal
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Postby jeff » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:48 pm

derfburg21 wrote:It is not the IBU's. It is the OG that is diff. I do not have the BS file in front of me. Here is the recipe I am using, BS was something like 1.094, this is lower.



Imperial Cascade IPA
14-C Imperial IPA

Size: 6 gal
Efficiency: 75%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Calories: 286.22 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.085 (1.070 - 1.090)
Terminal Gravity: 1.021 (1.010 - 1.020)
Color: 10.61 (8.0 - 15.0)
Alcohol: 8.47% (7.5% - 10.0%)
Bitterness: 104.0 (60.0 - 120.0)

Ingredients:
10.0 lb American 2-row
5.0 lb Golden Promise Malt
2.0 lb Crystal 15
2.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 90.0 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 75.0 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 45 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 30 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0 min
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
2.0 lb Corn Sugar
1.0 ea Fermentis US-56 Safale US-56

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 70.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

00:05:00 Mash In - Liquor: 5.31 gal; Strike: 172.6 °F; Target: 154.0 °F
01:05:00 Sach Rest - Rest: 60 min; Final: 147.8 °F
01:10:00 Mash Out - Water: 4.1 gal; Temperature: 200 °F; Target: 168 °F
01:35:00 New Batch Sparge - 1st Running: 0.0 gal sparge @ 168.0 °F, 5 min; Sparge #2: -0.08 gal sparge @ 168.0 °F, 10.0 min; Sparge #3: -0.08 gal sparge @ 168.0 °F, 10.0 min; Total Runoff: 7.43 gal


Did you import the BeerSmith recipe or recreate it in BTP?
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Postby derfburg21 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:20 pm

It was recreated in BTP from BS. Not inported.
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What about "efficiency"?

Postby billvelek » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:38 am

I'm not familiar with BeerSmith, but I presume that it has an "efficiency" setting somewhere; is it set to the same percentage as your BTP?

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RE: Same Recipe 2 progams...

Postby wottaguy » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:06 am

Asides of what has been suggested already, have you checked the extract potiential of all the grains used in the beerSmith database?

I use both of these programs as well, and at times I have found a couple of numbers that were slightly higer for potential extract for certain grains in BeerSmith. The same goes for the AA% for Hops too.

I always check these numbers before I brew and plug in what I have on hand.

BTW...what OG did you get in Beer Smith?

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Postby jeff » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:27 am

derfburg21 wrote:It was recreated in BTP from BS. Not inported.


If the recipe was recreated, there can be differences in the ingredient parameters such as potential extract and color. The results may be closer if you import the BeerXML instead of recreating the recipe from scratch.
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Postby nikkormat » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:26 am

why don't you just brew the beer and take your measurements, then see which program is closer? 10 gravity points is about a percent ABV difference. in an imperial IPA, you've got bigger things to worry about than that.
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Postby jawbox » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:42 pm

I would def export the beer ml file from beer smith and import into btp. Could be efficiency setting or different grain specs.
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