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Postby kittylaloo » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:40 am

How is one supposed to ship beer for contests, sharing with relatives, etc.???

Thanks for any info.

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Postby brewmeisterintng » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:42 pm

They do not require a packing list. I highly encourage extra packing materials. I use them for the 2006 Sam Adams comp with no problem.
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Who ships them?

Postby hansolo » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:08 pm

I am a mailman in MI and I thought shipping beer or wine wasn't legal. If you are caught! But, I won't tell anyone. I have wanted to send a few bottles to my friends out of state but never had the nerve to pack it up and send it. Who takes it?
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Re: Who ships them?

Postby slothrob » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:32 am

hansolo wrote:I am a mailman in MI and I thought shipping beer or wine wasn't legal. If you are caught! But, I won't tell anyone. I have wanted to send a few bottles to my friends out of state but never had the nerve to pack it up and send it. Who takes it?

It just isn't legal through the U.S. postal service, I'm led to believe.
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Postby locldrfrx » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:58 pm

Shipping for the Long Shot contest last year I used UPS and had no issues.
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Postby Beerme » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:03 pm

There are some laws against mailing alcoholic beverages but that's why I only ship "yeast samples"...
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Postby hansolo » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:46 pm

According to Section 2 of the 21st Amendment that repealed Prohibition:
"Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use there in of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited." It's fun to find out these things. So I imagine that any company or service that ships in the US are held to the same laws as the Post Office. But like I said, if you can get away with it, more power to you!
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Postby slothrob » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:35 am

While there's a federal law banning the mailing of alcohol specifically by the USPS, I think the law you quote only makes it illegal to send alcohol by other means in/to a particular state that bans the shipping of alcohol.
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Postby hansolo » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:05 pm

It is in the Constitution, 21st Ammendment, it isn't a law specifically for the USPS. From what I found out, it is a federal law for every company that ships state to state. And if you want to get technical by the way it states, it could be city to city. I also found out that the company shipping the package as well as the person using the shipping company can be held responsible for fines or other penalties. Trust me when I say, I think it is a dumb law because I have friends that I would like to send my homebrew to and would like to get some regional brew form other parts of the country. I'm all for it. But it isn't legal like i hope it was. I also found a neat article at realbeer.com
http://www.realbeer.com/library/beerbreak/archives/beerbreak20011108.php
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Speeding is not legal

Postby brewmeisterintng » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:23 pm

However, many still do and some even get caught. With that said, has anyone ever hear of anyone that was tried and convicted for shipping a few bottles of homebrew to a brew comp or a friend?
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Postby hansolo » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:32 pm

I agree, I thought I was helping by actually doing some investigation, but I guess people would rather just do it and roll the dice. Fine with me. Sorry I took the time to help someone else on my own time. Oh, by the way, do you tell them that you are shipping beer through them?
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21st Amendment

Postby slothrob » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:33 pm

Okay, so here's the quote from the 21st Amendment:
"2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited."

What this means is that it is illegal to ship beer into a State, if, and only if, that state prohibits the importation of alcohol. All this means is that the Federal Government was transferring the regulation of alcoholic beverages to the states. If it actually prohibitted the delivery of alcoholic beverages into a state, then we could only drink beer made in our home state.

It also makes no specific mention of mail services. The USPS is an exception only because it is essentially a Federal government agency, allowing Federal regulation of what it ships.
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Postby candleman » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:20 pm

fedex will ship alcohol all day long
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Postby bfabre » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:04 pm

I think you can stand on the loop hole "with intent to sell". If you are sending a few bottles to a comp. along with a notation inside the shipping container for which bottles are to be entered into which catagory. The gov. might whimper and whine a little but, for a couple of bottles sure would not be worth the tax payers money.
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Postby hansolo » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:03 pm

Basically, just sneak it through then? :)
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